I would have gladly ignored the comments on the previous post and proceeded to talk about some entirely different topic; but then I read this post on Divya's blog and it sparked off memories of past conversations with girls. What I have to say here is on somewhat different lines, though.
I cannot claim to understand women. Do you think I am saying it because it is something every man has attempted since creation and not been succesful at? No. I say it because it implicitly stereotypes women. And minds are like snowflakes: for all the underlying similarities, no two are alike. In knowing one, you cannot claim to know any more by virtue of that knowledge.
Yet, after centuries of Indian culture and tradition imposed upon them, it seems to me that there seems to be some sort of consensus between women regarding the world around us, and towards men in general. It is so subtle, so tacit and implicit that no woman from another culture and no man at all can hope to understand it fully. But perhaps in the trying of that very understanding lies our salvation.
It seems to me that Men, by default, are guilty of Male Chauvinism in the eyes of women until proven innocent. Perhaps the degree of the initial "judgement" varies with the person; but most women start off by assuming that a man considers women to be inferior to men in some way. After careful consideration I have come to believe that the statistics prove this to be the correct assumption. There is no harm in saying that women are physically weaker than men, because it seems to me plain fact. Here I support the army generals who oppose the creation of female squadrons, because it often results in a relaxing of physical standards and leaves them with a smaller chance of survival on even ground with men in a true battle.
However, I think most men also feel that women are intellectually inferior, and this I oppose. While I was growing up in school, I topped the class "because of my intelligence", but if a girl topped a test it was "because she is good at mugging and remembering". As a child I grew up to believe it as irrefutable, universal truth. Fortunately, there was some truth in me being intelligent and I gradually learnt to judge people impartially. But how many boys grew out of it as completely as I did?
The t-shirt of the girls' hostel in my college read "The world is unfair. In our favour." Most women become indignant at the hint of allegation that they did not deserve to reach the position they did. But among men, it is commonplace knowledge that it is easier for a woman to get a job than a man with the same qualifications. Or an admit to a reputed university. Or that nice project that will make a vital addition to your resume. Here I do not disagree. Usually the reason is as simple as the fact that the ratio of men to women at a workplace or university must be maintained at a optimum level, and there are always a lot more men applying than women.
But this is not because women are intellectually inferior in any way to men, but because of a simple lack of equal opportunity. In principle, there may be equal opportunity for all who apply to a job. But think about the underlying social structure. Don't you agree that a person from a poor family finds it difficult to obtain resources for his own growth? Obviously those who have little money do not have equal opportunity as the relatively well off. The next time someone tells you that the IIT-JEE is a purely merit-based exam, remind him that a less intelligent person may get in thanks to better training facilities available to him, and like all exams, preparation is as vital as basic intelligence.
In the same way, women are expected to do certain duties. They must learn to be good housekeepers. And cooks. And raise the children. And a lot of other things. It may seem to be a fair division of labour for the men to go to work everyday and come back exhausted and find that their house is clean, the children are taken care of, and there is good, warm food on the table. But who made the decision for that particular division of labour? Not the women.
Yet another factor is simply in the basic predilections of people. It occurs to me that the reason why there so few women in fields like engineering is simply because they prefer something else. Arts. Music. Literature. The fairer sex find different things interesting than us men. Unfortunately, in India, such things are disdainfully considered as less than appropriate professions. Hence, there seem to be less women around in the professional circles.
Do read this post of mine. The invisible weight of centuries of custom and tradition bends today's woman into continuing to give priority to housekeeping rather than professional life. For if they do not take care of the home and children, who will?
Yet, change augurs a better future. In the past, women might have been considered more as objects than people. But every successive generation is more open minded than the previous. If today, I swear that I will try to share the cooking duties equally with my wife, tomorrow a man might say, "Wife! You go to office. I will do a part time job and raise the kids."
Well, maybe not tomorrow, but perhaps some day!
Cheers,
Prashanth.
Wednesday, October 19, 2005
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This is so not fair I was expecting some fire,lava and Concentrated Sulphuric acid.But I respect your thoughts.... well written as always..
Ooh. Im quite blown away too. Since im new here.. i honestly didnt knw what to expect. But certainly didnt expect Prashu to make sucha stand.
Cute :D
(ok i knw i shud cum up wit a better compliment than that.. but im half asleep..)
Vc.. thinkin this destructive is hazardous to health..(atleast will be if the xx chromosome homosapiens get der hands on u!) hehe;)
-Divster
I think all this is more about gender roles and what is widely expected from men and women. A different set of roles, isn't intrinsically better. It just means the the responsibilties are spread out differently.
I found it difficult to understand why fields like math, and science are so devoid of women. I personally feel women write so much better than men, but how come the biggest authors are men? Women are more artistic and have much better taste than men, but all big artists are men. Weird.
Vc,
On what topic do you think I would write with fire or conc HNO3? Hmmm... something for myself to think about, actually!
Divya,
You should learn basic courtesy towards men. "Interesting" or "Handsome" or "Attractive" are compliments. "Nice" or "Sweet" are neutral. "Cute" is a deadly insult.
Ramani,
It's true the post degenerated into a discussion of gender roles, but actually that was not my intention when I started out. But having mentioned it, I feel that the matter of freedom and the possibility of there being different gender roles is more important than whether different roles are better or not.
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Yup.. i learnt my lesson. (apologizes) Sleep-commenting is no longer accepted. Next time i bring ma Ak 47 jus in case.. for defense.
But do u realize. What He pointed out was a classic male response. Need i say, u cant escape the fact tat ur born to think this way. If a girl can be called cute and not mind so shud the guy. If this cant be accepted..call for equal opportunities,equal recognition or equal treatment wud be baseless. How can we then expect women be part of firemen or a man be part of fashion designers?
Ur last para states tat 2day u will start the new trend. Well, is this an exception?
-Divster
"Cute" is a deadly insult.
Why is cute an insult? Actually, that is her primal response. "Ohh..check out that cute guy" ..to her friends ;)..so SP..there...:D
Stop blushing Sp.. so Div called you cute .. uhahaaa...
@ Divya.. miss if you are talking about equal opp, rights and recognition.. could you please ask the ladies in my office bus to sit in the back seats ?
(PS : the front seats are reserved exclusively for Ladies and the driver has lodged a complaint that he gets distracted by the constant chattering .)
I am still sticking to my guns when I say men are as inscrutable and complex as women. Complexity is NOT a trait of just women. Men have a tendency to hole up their feelings and expectations and what's more: they expect women to read their minds and comprehend their requirements without a word being exchanged. Hello! Now how bizzare is that!!
I agree with some parts, for instance, I believe if women want to enter a male bastion and do well, they have to match up to the competition (no handicaps like they have in Women's golf!)
Why are there only a handful of world famous women authors, cooks, musicians? Simply because they never intended to go pro. The pro business is more of a male thing to do as the traditional 'bread winning' instincts go.
Hmm.. Vc.. i dont know on what base ur asking that favor. psst..isnt it better that way..bcause by the time u men catch a seat in da back.. u can register most of the beauties?
Why blow a gud chance of automatic scenery. (giggles)
-Divster
Sheesh... Divya, can't you take a joke?
Kirthi, in this post I did not say anywhere that women are more complex than men. And don't tell me it was implicit :P
hehe. Now dont tempt to give u another deadly insult.:p im afraid u wont survive it this time...;)
haha
Chauvinist ..
.. mostly this is not followed by an innocent looking question-mark "?" .. but rather by the word "pig" ...
Awww now dont you stare me with jaws wide-open and question my audacity ... remember a good-humored friend of ours wears this pig-tag as badge of honor as he proudly displays his pictures flying across the oceans ... and when this "pig-with-wings" has friends like wizard, viceroy and potentially angel-of-hades; then the word chavinist is reduced to just a concept that doesnt bother me; like the extinct species of knights and I dont even need their chivalry ... cause they treat me as equals ... and thats just the way I like it to be ..
.. now dont go on changing ...
lol
just didnt feel like writing anything serious or sensible!!!
intern
Someone is going to get a "pattar pattar" soon...
hahha...let me admit honestly..tht its girls like u this world needs...awwrite(gives high five to intern)
personaly me enjoys evry bit of dis pittar pattar. hehe.. i do hav a feelin tat vc ignites the firecracker n enjys da commotion. im after all da new lil gal here... seems like i am already doin ma part in dis. ( like givin da matchstik to vc.hehehe)psst..may seem like im only draggin his leg here. well, wat to do. im already busy in pigs flyin blog..as for da cute guy of da house..wudnt do u any harm if u atleast return the compliment..cmon it qualifies as basic courtesy towards women u know...
LOLLLL
-divster
For the love of all spammers get rid of word verification.. It is very exasperating to see some tramps on the information highway litter your blog like crazy but its fun too: you have a serious discussion about Mars expeditions and then you have a bloke go ' OOh I absolutely love your blog and your taste in music please visit my site on Chicken Barbecue.'
C'mon kk... I know you're only saying it because you're too lazy to type out the thing :P
But I hate spam not because of the annoyance of finding it in the midst of a serious discussion, or because of the trouble to delete them, or the fact they are such an eyesore. I hate it because it is unprincipled of the spammers to use such tactics for such a small chance of financial gain. Since I do not know how to oppose te spammers directly, I shall do so by supporting word verification.
SP, where are your manners return the compliment. Divster calls you all those nice things and you...bah..
angel-of-hades..isn't hades the god of death..so whos this yama..or yamini ;)
SP .. say something sweet about Div.. like gulab jamoon..
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